Post by Master Yarak on Nov 5, 2004 0:38:52 GMT -5
I have no regrets about my posts concerning this matter. You did the right thing once you saw the problem. If the vet was correct and the bird was trapped in that condition then you are not to blame. So it does not really matter WHAT I said. You came on here to set the record straight, I respect that. I have been known to come down hard on people on this site. I have also contributed some very pertinate and useful info. I am glad you stuck it out and your RT recovered. Do not be surprised if I bash you in the future if I feel it is warranted. Consider yourself warned! And welcome to the List. Yarak
If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away
I was actually surprised when Eddy said that feeding chicken is a no-no. That would make about 99% of the ppl in our club wrong. They all feed some sort of chicken ie. day olds, necks etc. Many of them feed turkey necks, too. It seems that making sure your food is clean and fresh is the determining factor. Oh... Yarak barks, but he doesn't bite
I don't know anyone in GB who doesn't feed day old chicks. And I know a lot of GB falconers! Botulism can be caught from any meat. ((hee that's why I'm vegetarian lol))
Glad the bird is better, I thought it was lead poisoning...and I do agree actually, sometimes people on this site are a little tough and get angry very easily, I think it's just part of being on the internet. If I have questions that may get me into trouble, I ring my boss...
You can feed BOP's chicken, just not onlyu chicken. Ppl do use it to drop their weight but do they then exclusivly feed it chicken, i would hope not. Day old chicks are fina as long as the bird is eating what it catches. But im with eddie in that i wouldnt feed my bird day old chicks, they dont eat them in the wild and they are freakin messy!
Yeah, they are messy lol...and the bird flicks the juices all over your face when it's finished eating. But they're really convenient, the legs and wings make ideal bechins. Also a lot cheaper than other food. Rats and quail are much less convenient, and put more weight on the bird. Plus they have a different balance of vits and minerals, not suitable for some birds. Eg kestrels and barn owls shouldn't be fed too much red meat, in fact kestrels will live longer and fly better on a diet of DOC. They seem to catch more diseases and not be as generally healthy if fed rats, quail, hamsters etc. But that's only second hand information that I got when choosing my bird's diet, haven't experienced it yet as I haven't worked with a kestrel that wasn't fed on mostly DOC. We feed DOC as a staple, but supplement with rat, mouse, quail. I don't agree that what a bird eats in the wild is its best diet. Birds don't live as long in the wild.
Certainly didn't know that a bird of prey could catch salmonella though, I'll bear that in mind. Then again they can catch so many other diseases. And they can choke on food as well, lol, or it can puncture their crop or whatever...
I wonder if there's ever been a vegetarian bird of prey (that wasn't a palm nut vulture).
Botulism can be caught from any meat. ((hee that's why I'm vegetarian lol))
I've been through food chemistry. Botulism isn't really a risk for adults, mainly for babies. Botulism only affects adults when their immune system is already down.
Tell me, you say you are a vegetarian? Do you like honey?
Do you know what's IN honey... Botulism spores, that is why you are not allowed to feed honey to babies.
"Tell me, you say you are a vegetarian? Do you like honey?
Do you know what's IN honey... Botulism spores, that is why you are not allowed to feed honey to babies. "
About 10% of honey contains spores, similar to those in soil, dust etc. that can develop into botulism (if put in the right conditions - eg. a baby's intestines). However they cannot develop in our toughened, experiences intestines lol. Contaminated meat contains the fully-fledged bacteria, already producing the nasty toxin that makes us ill.
"Botulism only affects adults when their immune system is already down"
Recently a friend of mine got botulism. Also my biology lecturer has caught it in his forties. Infant botulism is only one sort, different from wound botulism and foodborne botulism. There is a fourth type but it hasn't been properly classified yet. Although they're all caused by the same type of bacteria, they affect you in different ways.
If you eat contaminated meat, you will get botulism. The shape of cans is carefully thought-out: if gas is produced inside the can then you can tell because the indentation swells up. This is mainly a precaution against botulism, which produces gas (like other bacteria).
I assume you know all this if you've done food chemistry, but I don't know what honey has to do with anything. Whilst feeding contaminated meat to my bird will probably give her botulism, if I fed her honey it would just make her very hyper. ^^
"They are generally killed by another creature"
Aye, but my point is that they don't eat for longevity, they eat to survive from day to day.
Last Edit: Apr 24, 2006 11:40:51 GMT -5 by longwing
Aye, but my point is that they don't eat for longevity, they eat to survive from day to day.
Well being killed by somthing else is the major cause of death. Your trying to imply that because they dont watch they're diet they dont live as long lol.
Nah that wasn't what I was trying to imply, I see what you mean though. ^^ Basically my theory is that birds of prey don't eat a healthy balanced diet so that they can have shiny feathers and strong claws and keen eyes in the long run; they eat to survive. They see something moving and pounce on it, their main requirement is energy not vitamins. It doesn't mean that they live any less time, that's irrelevant because they're generally killed by a different cause and not bad diet. Their systems are geared to gain as much energy from their diet as possible. A bird that eats high-energy food will live to produce offspring, even if they have a vitamin deficiency. Therefore they pass on their energy-loving genes, and their offspring eat high-energy food too, even if it means that they will have lower levels of other vitamins. (obviously a bird with ultra-low vitamin deficiency will not be able to breed, but what I mean is that they don't have to have eaten a completely balanced diet).
Sorry if my meaning was unclear, I'm not too good at explaining things. ^^ clear as mud lol