IMO, there is still a better way. I would not shoot them, but that is me. Not putting up a fence because of aesthetic reasons? Is this the Yarak we know??? You have 3 acres...why couldn't you find something back from the front of the house for your dog run that wouldn't ruin your aesthetically-pleasing landscaping? Killing an animal for a pretty picture...that's like feeding a hawk prime rib cooked to medium rare on a plate rather than feeding it a bloody rabbit leg because it looks better and nobody wanted to ruin their appetite.
I would fence it. I had the same problem with coyotes. A strong fence is a good deterrent, even from a pack of dogs.
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Post by pioneersnt on Mar 30, 2009 23:33:02 GMT -5
He's not talking about coyotes or wolves. Feral dogs are an introduced/nonindiginous preditor. They don't belong there and could disturb the natural food chain. If they are not controlled they will continue to breed. There is no "better way".
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Edd/ Rural SoCal "Question with boldness even the very existence of God; For if there be a God, he must surely rather honest questioning, than that of blind-folded fear." Thomas Jefferson
Post by Master Yarak on Mar 31, 2009 7:05:32 GMT -5
I don't live alone. So someones else' wishes must be considered. Feral dogs in a pack are more than nuisance. The can be a real threat, especially big ones. I will get no pleasure from killing. They have not been seen in almost two weeks. I believe they have moved on. I will keep a weather eye out for them. I have seen my dog go over a 4' cyclone fence. That would mean something 6ft more money more visual impact. I won't do it. I should not have to. Bauer has lived here just fine without a fence. A fence does not solve the problem. Eradication will. Sorry. Yarak
If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away
Post by Yarak's Maven on Mar 31, 2009 13:25:08 GMT -5
Keith, walk the dog on a leash rather than chaining him. I have never like the idea of chaining him and have said so. If you are with him, walking him, you will be there should any "ferral" dogs come around.
He needs the exercise, anyway.
I am going to call on animal control. You need to find out what the laws are. If you point and shoot at several dogs who are in the vicinity of Bauer, what about the risk of hitting him? I thought we were talking about BB's, that was what you borrowed from dad. Now you are talking about "shoot to kill?" What happened to Keith, because Keith doesn't shoot animals.
I haven't looked at this forum for quite some time, but glad I did - got our conversation topic tonight. See you later.....
Oh, thanks though, to all the ideas. I'm sure Keith will let you know how it turns out. We had thought of a fence but truthfully, when Keith took in this dog, I had no say in it as we were seperated at the time. I bought our property for the beauty of it and the seclusion....I do not want fences. Bauer is the only dog we will ever own, so.....Keith needs to walk the dog, not chain him up, period.
Keith, walk the dog on a leash rather than chaining him. I have never like the idea of chaining him and have said so. If you are with him, walking him, you will be there should any "ferral" dogs come around.
He needs the exercise, anyway.
I am going to call on animal control. You need to find out what the laws are. If you point and shoot at several dogs who are in the vicinity of Bauer, what about the risk of hitting him? I thought we were talking about BB's, that was what you borrowed from dad. Now you are talking about "shoot to kill?" What happened to Keith, because Keith doesn't shoot animals.
Ahh... I feel the love and support from waaaay over here. No risk to the dog from hitting him. Sometimes shooting an animal is more humane than letting it live. Thanks for your input dear Yarak (who has a maven)
If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away
Haha great input from Yarak's Maven, thanks for contributing!!!
I hope everything goes well. It didn't seem like the Yarak we all know and love to resort to that.
Pioneer...I believe this thread was started about the safety of Yarak's dog, not the food chain. Well...his dog could become part of the lower end of said food chain if this is not addressed, but that was as far in that direction as it went.
Thanks again, Yarak's Maven and good luck Yarak.
If you dislike someone, walk a mile in their shoes. Then, you are a mile away from them, and you have their shoes. --Jack Handy
Post by dirthawker on Mar 31, 2009 19:47:48 GMT -5
the way I see it is feral dogs are a problem waiting to happen. they can and will attack you or your animals. I also really dont see the problem with killing unwanted pets peta has been doing it for yrs and they love the animals you know.
Post by HawkingRage on Mar 31, 2009 21:27:34 GMT -5
Ally,
You are the type of person that is responsable for all the hell our wildlife has to go through because of feral domesticated animals. You are an antagonist and an extreem fanatic. The problem with being your type of fanatic is that you loose all ability to make your own decisions. How old are you, young i take it and below 20. Grow up a bit and find something that you feel protective of and you will find that if you really feel for something you will protect it to the death. Would you conciter your precious hawk as a natural form of animal control? Killing ferral dogs that can be more of a threat than say a wild coyote is animal control.
Cut the crap posing to egg someone on to attack someone that is asking for support. Ruthless and worthless. Dont be that as a Human or a falconer.
Pioneer...I believe this thread was started about the safety of Yarak's dog, not the food chain. Well...his dog could become part of the lower end of said food chain if this is not addressed, but that was as far in that direction as it went.
I understand what this thread is about. Just pointing out part of the bigger picture. There is also his safety and the safety of his neighbors their children and their pets. Also the local ecosystem to think about.
I don't take killing dogs lightly. We are breeders, and dog lovers, but we understand the nature of the beast. These are wild animals, not fluffy and spot. They are nonindiginous and will have an impact on the residents and local indiginous wild life.
I'm done!!
Good luck Yarak
Edd/ Rural SoCal "Question with boldness even the very existence of God; For if there be a God, he must surely rather honest questioning, than that of blind-folded fear." Thomas Jefferson
You are the type of person that is responsable for all the hell our wildlife has to go through because of feral domesticated animals. You are an antagonist and an extreem fanatic. The problem with being your type of fanatic is that you loose all ability to make your own decisions. How old are you, young i take it and below 20. Grow up a bit and find something that you feel protective of and you will find that if you really feel for something you will protect it to the death. Would you conciter your precious hawk as a natural form of animal control? Killing ferral dogs that can be more of a threat than say a wild coyote is animal control.
Cut the crap posing to egg someone on to attack someone that is asking for support. Ruthless and worthless. Dont be that as a Human or a falconer.
Um....wow..... I'll have to admit I don't agree with everything Ally says, but attacking her for it is totally uncalled for.... for one thing, it has nothing to do with age, I've listen to people with grey hair that have the same opinions as her. Rage, the next time you feel like going all "crazy eyed" on someone you might want to consider taking a walk around the block first and then put some effort into sounding like the mature one.
For Ally and those others that feel squeamish about eliminating the problem, I invite you to look at it from a different perspective. Imagine some people called you, the falconer, complaining that a few years back someone had released a few domestic (pet) rabbits into the area. These rabbits had bred, gone feral/wild, were in no way tame enough to be rescued and adopted as pets...and were wreaking havoc on everyones properties, gardens, crops, etc. They wanted you and your falconer friends to bring in your hawks to thin out the populations. Other than the known problems of hawking near people homes, what else would stop you? Having gone wild, these rabbits would be just as much of a challenge as wild cottontails, they just look a little different because they still have the patterns of their domestic parents. Would that stop you from letting your hawk catch and kill a few? Now, weight the differences between these feral rabbits and feral dogs.... that difference would be damage to crops vs. damage to pets and humans. Compare being comfortable hunting cottontails to hunting feral rabbits, or hunting coyote to hunting feral dogs... Just some food for thought....... news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090329/ap_on_re_us/coyotes_in_the__hood
For Ally and those others that feel squeamish about eliminating the problem,...
IMO, all the suggestions here were offered to help Yarak eliminate his specific problem, and they all have merit.
I've always been squeamish about resorting to lethal means before trying exclusionary methods first. I did animal control for several years, and had to deal with dog packs roaming through my metro-suburban city more than once. And yes, I sometimes found it necessary to resort to a lethal solution - when all other options failed. I was not, and am not, squeamish about employing lethal methods as a last resort. But, as I see it, there ARE other and better options in this case. Yarak chooses not to employ them, for the reasons he (and Maven) expressed. Nuff said.
A final thought here... Consider the Coopers hawks entering my homer loft and killing my birds. Shall I shoot every Coopers I see flying over my property to protect my pigeons? (I doubt anyone here would recommend this. Most if not all would likely be horrified at the thought.) OR, shall I take measures to keep them from entering the loft in the first place? Do we not build our mews to prevent predators from entering? Sure we do. So, I see no good reason why we can't do the same for our other animals. I consider it my obligation to my animals to do so. I have adopted exclusionary methods to protect my hawks, my pigeons, and my dogs (a fenced dog yard). And there are ways to build things and still keep property asthetically pleasing. It just takes some creative thought and planning.
Rage - Fanatic? Absolutely not. Squeamish? Again, no. Quite aware of other methods of prevention? Yes. I have had to assist in the euthanasia of quite a few animals, and most of it was unnecessary.
Responsible for all the hell that our wildlife has to go through? Do your research, PLEASE. If you would care to ask a few questions, you would find that is certainly not the truth, so watch your big mouth.
Thus far the pack has not done anything to merit lethal measures, and Yarak said they seems to have disappeared anyway. OF COURSE, if a feral dog was threatening my family or my own pets I would shoot it and do a damn sight better than you would. However, this particular case has done nothing of the sort or even given any indication that they would. The people responsible for all the "hell our wildlife has to go through" are the idiots that buy a pet, decide they can't care for it, and release it to be "free", resulting in your feral dog packs.
I don't know what part of my logic made you start raving about fanatics but I'm sorry your perception is so skewed. Have a great day.
Post by chad13dnvr (DBH) on Apr 1, 2009 11:52:46 GMT -5
Yarak ,
You know i was thinking. You said that you were worried about injuring your dog in the process. I also remember you said that you had a side by side and a 20 gauge. Not sure how old the side by side is or the 20 but you may consider using slugs. #4's and up will work depending on the choke and the range the dogs are at but a slug is a good old big hunk a lead that you don't have to worry about stray pellets wandering from the pattern with and injuring your pet when you are taking care of a nuisance. With that being said. Like i have said before. MY SON, has been bitten by stray dogs. I am lucky that there was not more damage done. Feral dogs should be trapped and shot or shot when found trespassing. We are not talking about a wild hawk killing our pigeon we are talking about an animal that has the potential to cause harm to our families and ourselves. No body wants to be the guy that killed old yeller. But then again nobody wants to be the guy with a one eyed kid because no one else was willing to do the job. Consider it a service to the public.
The people responsible for all the "hell our wildlife has to go through" are the idiots that buy a pet, decide they can't care for it, and release it to be "free", resulting in your feral dog packs.
Too true. And the owners who don't believe their pets should be confined to their own property...
"Good fences make good neighbors" - "Mending Wall,” by Robert Frost
And the owners who don't spay/neuter their pets to prevent more unwanted animals.
What is the difference between shooting a deer or a feral dog Ally? They both are living creatures? What, there is no emotions tied to the deer being no one keeps them as pets unlike a dog? Just because the dog has been in human’s life’s as pets for eons deem them protected from the gun? If you feel it is wrong to shoot a feral dog, then why is it not wrong for you to shoot deer? The deer was not threatening anyone nor you before you shot it, while the feral dog does threaten much more, such as people, children, livestock, wildlife and pets such as Keith’s. You are not a fanatic, but more in the realm of emotionally childish.