***NEW FEDERAL REGS****

[natermotor]

Oct 8, 2008 9:50:00 GMT -5 killjoy said:

i read in there that TP&W opposes the take of HH for apprentice's.

I just got off the phone with TP&W trying to see what i could find out, but they werent sure either. Just a wait and see.

I couldnt believe an apprentic can be 12 years old!! I thought 14 was too young personally.

Why? Because minors are to "unresponsible"? Lots of us aren't.. I'm 13 have 2 parrots, two dogs, and loads of fish... I've always been interested in birds and ornithology, but BOP's are my favorite. I would like to fly one.

[killjoy]

Oct 12, 2009 20:05:48 GMT -5 natermotor said:

Oct 8, 2008 9:50:00 GMT -5 killjoy said:

i read in there that TP&W opposes the take of HH for apprentice's.

I just got off the phone with TP&W trying to see what i could find out, but they werent sure either. Just a wait and see.

I couldnt believe an apprentic can be 12 years old!! I thought 14 was too young personally.

Why? Because minors are to "unresponsible"? Lots of us aren't.. I'm 13 have 2 parrots, two dogs, and loads of fish... I've always been interested in birds and ornithology, but BOP's are my favorite. I would like to fly one.

good for you!!
now go mow the yard!

i can see you are going to be the next know it all preapprentice on the forum.

would you like to tell me the best way to man a RT?
how about what to feed it?

so i will tell you what i will tell the next 13 year old, you cant drive your self to the field and i aint gonna be your driver.
that is my criteria, you dont like it, tough.

[profalconer]

Hmm a know it all calling someone else a know it all?

[natermotor]

Im not tryin 2 be a know it all...... And i dont no those answers, so could you please tell me? And BTW i have 250 acres in my backyard for a field.

[Chigger]

Oct 13, 2009 13:05:25 GMT -5 killjoy said:

good for you!!
now go mow the yard!

i can see you are going to be the next know it all preapprentice on the forum.

would you like to tell me the best way to man a RT?
how about what to feed it?

so i will tell you what i will tell the next 13 year old, you cant drive your self to the field and i aint gonna be your driver.
that is my criteria, you dont like it, tough.

Wow, sad day when this is the welcome our youth receive when taking their own initiative to pursue an ancient art.

Looks to me like a big kid just got intimidated by a young man half his size. Rightly so I'd imagine, doubtful that killjoy knew what Ornithology was at that age.

That being said, I realize that I'm a newbie and of little first hand experience in falconry. Being a newbie is why I ask all the questions I do and I applaud this boy of half our age for doing the same. But enough of that, go ahead and cast your stones, at least this time you'll be picking on someone your own size!

[cllhawker]

Wow i cant belive people argue over the dumbest things. We all have our ups and downs. Get over them!

[duckhawkman]

hey natermotor im 13 too but i have too be 14 to be a falconer ive already found a sponcer but im moving to a place where ive heard there are a lot of falconers but i dont no any body up there

[jp1004]

it looks like apprentices can basically anything now!

[MarkT]

Nov 17, 2010 21:09:16 GMT -5 jp1004 said:

it looks like apprentices can basically anything now!

A lot of states are still restricting the type of birds an apprentice can fly. And in the states that have liberal restrictions you still may be limited to what your sponsor thinks you should fly.

[jp1004]

that makes a lot more sense lol

[SkyRider]

Don't know if it's been posted before but I just found this link about the changes to the regs if anyone would like to read about it. It lays the changes out pretty easily. I figured I'd post it because just the other day someone was posting about which birds we can and can't have as apprentices...

documents.clubexpress.com/documents.ashx?key=NWsoulggsQrxw0SvXqRhHDTOfDWO2kow

[kilroy]

Wow thanks Skyrider, that clears it up for me, either i need my eyes checked or the new regs posted on the Florida fish and wildlife website were pointlessly confusing i don't know maybe its just me

[killjoy]

Let's not forget,
That is for the FEDERAL REGS.
the state regs can be more strict than federal regs.
Even under the old regs Florida won't let an apprentice take a kestrel.
Oklahoma and Ohio, to name a few, removed the Red Shoulder as an apprentice bird.
So what an apprentice can take is still on a per state basis.

[SkyRider]

Excellent point KJ. State laws can be more restrictive. This link simply shows what the federal regulations will be changed to. Please keep that on mind when you read them. Your state may have added more regulations or may not have even adopted them at all. Make sure you've double checked before you base any plans off those regulations.

[SkyRider]

It really just depends on your point of view. Is it a good thing that apprentices can get licensed at 12? Is it good that they can have more than a red-tail/kestrel? It's all how you feel about it.

Personally. I feel the updated regulations are a positive step in a good direction but they can become disastrous without close watch and care being taken by current falconers.