The way I see it is that your State can have more stringent rules, but not less. In other words, at least here in Michigan I see very few changes coming. Getting rid of the $100 fed fee and maybe electronic paperwork, but I doubt Mich will change the age, number of birds allowed, etc. I wonder how many other states will just keep things the way they are too?
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that master falconers can now keep an unlimited number of captive bred birds.
Also the new reg's do allow apprentices more bird options however there is a list of birds we can not have including peregrines, prairies and several others.
You can now promote to general at 16 instead of 18.
You can buy your birds as an apprentice.
You can bread your falconry birds without putting them on your propagation permit.
It clearly spells out that apprentices "experience" is considered to be 4 months per year with a bird on hand, not 24 months (a problem here in Idaho).
It has much more specific rules about housing requirements that include housing the bird indoors.
It calls out a longer period for temporary care so that some one can watch your bird for a longer period of time.
It allows for non-falconers to care for you bird on your property.
With any luck we'll see major changes here in ID soon.
yes I saw most of that and it is all great. also did you see the golden trapping regs have been opened up. I have been part of the process and it we got allot of the things that we where looking for. I do agree with the opening up of the birds that apprentices can take as well as the larger amounts of birds. just because you can have that bird doesnt mean that you will take it. how many of us have the time to fly 5 birds as a master other than the retired and even then do you really think that most would go with that. other than the HH. I living in AZ where you cant hardly get rid of a HH would love to have my own cast of HHs and another bird. flying 1 HH or 4 is the same time.
I see the new regs and the work that all the people put into them as a great thing and it furthers the sport by letting the different walks of life work for them selves. as an apprentice you could have a RT or a K bird. 1 buteo, 1 long wing, well the long wing isnt really a great falconry bird from my point of view but fun. now you have everything opened up a bit and all should be good. and (as long as we as the sponsor do our job and try to keep the level of falconry to our standards IE keep the standards well above the regular pet keeper) you now have captive breed birds for those apprentices that cant get a HH which is a great bird for a beginner.
I feel that the new regs are a great step to the future and we should be happy as hell. we can work on the rest of the lil bs latter.
snafu I know that I went off from what you where saying but I just had to get some stuff out there. the new regs have opened us up for more falconry. do I see myself with a golden any time soon not really but we should be able to do as much as the environment can sustain
I couldnt believe an apprentic can be 12 years old!! I thought 14 was too young personally.
Lets not stereotype. The changes are interesting I look forward to not having to deal with the feds and sending copies of everything to them so it can be stuffed in a drawer. Not that NY is going to change much else...
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Chief of the protection division in Missouri said they should be ready in five months. Since they'll most likely use the federal guidelines word for word it'll be interesting to see how long it'll take to go into effect. Kurt
The thing that pisses me off about the new federal regs is that they gave Masters the option of 5 birds, but kept Generals at 2. In my opinion, Generals should have been moved up to 3!! -Joby
Gens get 3, but are only allowed to trap 2 replacements
it said two wild caught it said can have 3 one has to be captive.
I am not complaining, but does it seem that the feds took a big ol' sleeping pill on this one?
it is pretty much do what you want to do. from apprentices being able to alot of different birds now, to the ease of eagle managment. I am truly suprised how easy they went!!!
is this where we say a big ol' THANK YOU!!! to the more mature falconers, older falconers, for doing what they can to save the peregrine, carcara, eagles and other birds to be to get to this point?
Face it, if they didnt try so hard to get rid of DDT, and other chemicals harmful to birds, we might all be training sparrows to take grasshoppers, instead of kessies.
i thought the regs are 3 for general or 5 for masters of wild caught birds. the way i read it i thought you could keep up to 5 wild trapped birds as a master and there wasnt a limit on the # of captive bred birds? am i reading it wrong or is that rite? How can they put a limit on the number of captive birds they are like dogs they arnt wild cant be released and some are even imprinted. The feds dont tell us how many dogs we can have how can they limit the captive bred birds?
Post by chad13dnvr (DBH) on Oct 9, 2008 11:53:06 GMT -5
This was the response from FWS to Colorado division of wildlife when i posed the question about the need for a federal permit.
"I just received word that you will need to maintain your federal permit and pay the $100 federal fee in addition to the state fee until Colorado moves to state-only permitting. The earliest this can happen is 1/1/2010, but could be as late as 2014."
So it looks like we are still out the $100 to the fed.
Some people grin and bear it, other people smile and change it.
The limits on wild trapped birds for master level falconers is five, with no more than two taken in any one year. This is to appease those who think that the impact on wild populations would be affected by increasing the take of wild birds. But, you are right, there is no limit to the number of cb birds a master falconer can keep. That being the case, a master falconer is really only limited by the amount of time he has and the number of chambers or weathering yards he can maintain. By the time i retire, hopefully, these regs will be in place. I'm not convinced that i will ever kep that many birds, but who know. A ten day trip to Nebraska for prairie chickens, or Colorado for sage grouse could be a gas with 5 or 6 high flying falcons. I can't see adding more to my mews than 1 per year b/c training a fresh young falcon is a real committment of time. Once trained though, a quick refresher gets them going the next season. I could also see keeping a good bird for rabbit hawking close to home. The main thing i appreciate about the new regs is how clearly it spells out certain areas, like how a guest with you in the field can fly your bird (if you so choose) without being licensed. It clearly outlines how an apprentice can acquire a bird. This kind of specificity will end a lot misinterpretations by LE who may only have a cursory understanding of falconry. Clarity is a good thing. I like turning over control to the states. Every state has it's own set of circumstances. Your State Club can communicate more effectively with your regulating agency far better because you know them and, when these regs are adopted, they won't be hamstrung by the feds. Open communication is a good thing, too. There are somethings in there that i don't like, but overall i welcome the changes.
Chief of the protection division in Missouri said they should be ready in five months. Since they'll most likely use the federal guidelines word for word it'll be interesting to see how long it'll take to go into effect. Kurt
Yeah, i sent a letter to Tom and Mindy to see what they've got cooking. Historically, MCD have followed the fed's lead pretty closely. The only changes i can see Mo imposing will be regarding he take of certain species that are still building here. Do you think they'll allow a peregrine take?