I have a mutt and hes fairly well trained for hunting, he can track and he knows basic commands but the problem is when he he finds something he goes at it himseelf. How can i teach him to back of to let the hawk go in for the kill?
Post by robhawkyyz on Apr 15, 2008 15:18:52 GMT -5
you need to work him with a check leash or e-collar or both and what ever command you use to hold him steady like whoa!!! hold him back and or quick zap until he gets the idea not to chase but you'll also have to work on reflushes or he may think he should not flush them also. so praise after he holds steady and then lets go find another . hope this makes sense
you need to work him with a check leash or e-collar or both and what ever command you use to hold him steady like whoa!!! hold him back and or quick zap until he gets the idea not to chase but you'll also have to work on reflushes or he may think he should not flush them also. so praise after he holds steady and then lets go find another . hope this makes sense
Just to clarify. do you mean e-collar as in, elizabethan collar (like the lampshade when your doggy has surgery?) or electric collar?
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Post by robhawkyyz on Apr 15, 2008 20:54:39 GMT -5
I did say a quick zap unless the lampshade makes a spark?!?! so yes an electric collar I dont know if a dog will flush quarry good with its head stuck in a funnel?LOL
I did say a quick zap unless the lampshade makes a spark?!?! so yes an electric collar I dont know if a dog will flush quarry good with its head stuck in a funnel?LOL
That's what I figured, but in the "biz" we call those lampshades "e-collars." I was trying to figure out how it would be effective, but didn't get anywhere, so I thought I would ask.
"We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?" -Bloc Party
lol that's funny. I worked at a vet and when you said "e-collar" that's the firstthing that came to mind for me too, until I was like "Oh....duh."
Electronic collars are awesome training tools IF USED CORRECTLY. A lot of people don't do it right. For example, I have a friend that has used the zapper well enough that the dog hears the audio beep warning about the shock and she listens IMMEDIATELY--doesn't even need to use the shock. Then another one the dog will hear a beep on ANOTHER dog's collar and go cower in fear. Bad idea. So careful!
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I come from the school of thought that E-Collars are great tools. However, you never use an E-Collar to teach obedience. You use it to reinforce obedience AFTER obedience has been established. It just gives you a longer leash for advancing training is all. You can put the E-collar on with your normal correction collar, and not use it at all. That will help your dog to never associate the shock with the collar. Then over time, correct with your leash and a very soft electrical impulse from the E-collar, simultaneously. You don't want your dog to be afraid of getting zapped, like Ally said. Over time, turn the collar up as necessary. Take it slow with an e-collar though, and remember that it only takes using the E-collar incorrectly once for you to set you and your dog back for some time. Even worse you can inadvertantly create a nervous wreck of a dog. Just a couple thoughts.
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For those of you worried about shocking my dog to the point of fear dont worry i intend to use a check leash. There are very few times i would even consider an electric collar. Personnally i think they are unneccacery
And that is a personal opinion. I for one feel that when used properly, they are the best tool you can have. My dogs wear an E-collar every time they are out in the field. I vary rarely have to use the shock because the dogs are trained to turn on the beeper that is also on the same collar. {Dogtra collar}. If the dogs don't turn, then they get a nick at the lowest level of the collar. The younger dog is absolutely great. I can put the collar on the older dog and the younger dog will turn when she hears the beep that is on the older dog. The older dog sometimes likes to roam away from me and occasionally she needs to be reminded with a nick from the shock. Now my question to you is what do you do when your dog is 1000 yards away from you and can't hear you, or see you and the check leash won't reach that far. My Dogtra collar is good for 1 mile and all I have to do is give her a nick and she instantly starts looking for me.
... I for one feel that when used properly, they are the best tool you can have. My dogs wear an E-collar every time they are out in the field....
I concur. We call it a 'hearing aid'. It's such a rarity that it's needed - kinda like telemetry on a bird. But when it IS needed, it's there. I don't want to lose my bird OR my dog. Crazy as it sounds, when our pointer sees the collar, he jumps for joy... knowing he's going hawking.
...what do you do when your dog is 1000 yards away from you and can't hear you, or see you and the check leash won't reach that far.
Yep... when the dog's locked on point somewhere and can't hear your check command. We had an old hearing-impaired German Shorthair with a great nose that sometimes ranged too far in heavy cover. Finding a set, she'd lock on point for as long as two hours -- long after the falcon had been put away. A light buzz would break her concentration and she'd start looking for us.
I think it depends on the dog (and breed). And, like anything, it's a personal choice.
For those of you worried about shocking my dog to the point of fear don't worry i intend to use a check leash. There are very few times i would even consider an electric collar. Personally i think they are unnecessary
IMO a check leash should only be a training tool to help the dog to learn a specific command. Like a "whoa" or "sit" at say 25 yards to hold up instead of flushing. An E-Collar is a way of reinforcing a known command when the dog makes the "decision" to disobey. It's not a punishment, it's a correction or reminder of an incorrect behavior. The problem with a check leash is that nobody wants to be dragging 100yards of rope through the brush and trees and so on just to keep control of the dog. If you need to keep a hunting dog on Leed it kinda defeats the purpose of the dog IMO.
Quick Story,
I have a 3 1/2 year old lab that i took at 4 months from a family that said she was untrainable. Spent appropriate amounts of time with her every day to turn her into a solid 5 command dog. Here, heal, sit, stay, and the ever important fetch. I drilled these five commands into her minus the use of any electronic device until she knew them dead solid no questions asked. I decided to add an e-collar when hunting for the times that she made the decision to disregard a given command or be able to remind her that 40 yards out is to far. "Daryle" knows her job very well. I shoot it you get it. It doesn't matter where the bird goes down, what she has to run or swim through to get to it, she knows she is expected to get that bird period. Needless to say it doesn't seem much like a job to her, she takes great zeal in this and it seams to be her greatest joy in life. This last pheasant season some friends and i were out hunting some corn field corners skirting a dirt country road. The dog kicked up a rooster in front of my buddy and he took a shot and winged the bird. It went down and started to run right twards the road and of course the dog gave chase. At this time i also noticed a big old hay truck charging down the dirt road. I yelled at Daryle "SIT" which will normally bring her to a halt and there was no reaction at all. She was gonna get that bird. I picked up my transmitter yelled "SIT" right as i hit her with the collar and she came to a skid right next to the road as the hay truck flew by. Without the collar she would have been hit and killed without a question. I guess my point is that sometimes in the dog brain they decide to override commands based on they're priorities. In this case her priorities would have gotten her killed.
Sorry if i rambled on. It's just that i think electronic training aids have gotten a bad name by people that don't understand them and just think of them as a "shock Collar" thats used to hurt dogs. If used appropriately they are a great training tool and in some cases safety device. JMO
I also have English Pointers and they are big roamers. Especially the older dog. When I got her {4 years old} the previous owner told me that she had been out in the field for 3 days before they were able to find her. The younger dog is much better because I have been working her very close to me. The collar is always on her even though she doesn't need it most of the time. Today, I had her with me working under the HH and she had the collar on, but, the transmitter was in the truck. I can't do that with the older dog. she would be gone.