There is virtually no way to destroy the planet. It will be around long after the sun dies in 6 billion years or so. We can, however, destroy everything on the planet in our era. Then new things will evolve over a long time period. The unfortunate thing is that when most species exceed their 'carrying capacity,' a bunch of them die. When humans exceed their 'carrying capacity,' everything else dies, and then they die. That is why certain things that we do are unnatural (or, don't follow the norms of nature), as I see it. We should only be ruining ourselves, and yet we negatively effect almost all other species out there, which is really unfair to them.
Aurelia - General I ------------------------------------------- "It's not about the style of the flight; it's about the blood on the glove"
yea i was getting kinda pounded during the earlier parts of this thread... snafu If you wish to belieave that nature is everything, and everything is natural then bealiave it. However I will belieave that most of what us humans do is not natural us humans are the only species able to be unnatural. that is our talent, and I am glad we do not waste it we are the explosive in a timebomb we. but after that bomb goes off then it's all over for us and things will go back to the way they should be each species fighing for survival, not total control. when the sun whitdwafs it's up to us if we have not yet been ignited to go to new star systems we must or else all life dies... what the heck dose this have to do with falconry anyway lets just stop talking! eh? lol it is what it is and thats not for us to decide lets leave it liek that and Lock this thread please unless somone has objection.
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph." -Thomas Paine
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? -Marianne Williamson
well at least somone agrees with me on this subject at least somwhat. well Good luck yall and hpoe you are happy, healthy and , let the squirrles tremble at your feet and the falcons fly with vigor!
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph." -Thomas Paine
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? -Marianne Williamson
Haha, ok generally it is my practice not to post, but this is just too meaty to stay out of. It’s kind of funny actually, seeing as I just heard a similar argument on the radio. The DJ was claiming that monogamous relationships were unnatural, and we as a society and species were incapable of being monogamous without cheating on our partner. His leading justification for this was “Hey look at nature! The Natural thing is to have many partners. Lions, for example, live in prides where the Alpha male will have anywhere from two to ten female partners.” In the end he was all for doing what he considered was “natural”. (aka living like a lion). Now to put this into context, many people believe there is nothing natural about falconry. From a certain point of view, (and definition of ‘natural’) they are correct. If you define natural as natures way without human intervention (thereby considering us unnatural) then yes, the practice of falconry is unnatural, seeing as we are taking a wild animal into captivity and in a sense controlling it’s life. Then again, if your definition of natural includes humans, you can’t really call anything unnatural. Personally I consider humans as natural, but scientific human alterations as unnatural. Honestly though, falconry has time and time again, been proven to have no negative effect on the natural order. It may be considered unnatural to trap a wild hawk, but in the end that hawk only does what it would have done, had it not been captured. Now as to the argument on whether or not humans are natural, you better believe we are. I don’t really care what your beliefs are as far as creation goes, but it’s a undisputable fact that humans are as much a part of this earth as any other living (or non living) organism. In my mind that’s all there is to it. We are just cursed (or blessed) with an intelligent mind that can choose to do seemingly unnatural things. That doesn’t make us as a species unnatural, though. On this note I’m pretty much in accord with what Snafu918 said. Ok, now that this post has turned into a tidy essay I’ll state my Real reason for posting.
cjinx said:
[ however it also seems that we are the only ones who can save it, the sun will become a whitedwarf. if we fail to go to other star systems we and all life in this world are doomed.
No offense or anything but this just made me laugh. In truth our sun has about another 5 billion years left in it's life. If by some chance it doesn't die (not at all likely) our galaxy is on a crash course for the much larger galaxy, Andromeda. Believe you me one way or another we are doomed. That's just life. Now the survival instinct is natural, and who knows maybe we will find another planet to inhabitate, it's not Completely impossible...but the truth of it is Earth is going to die eventually, heck our solar system is going to die, and eventually our galaxy. I don't believe in an end to the universe, and truly when our galaxy does finally end I doubt very much anyone, or anything, will really care. (except perhaps Andromeda, she'll be rather pleased, seeing as how eating our galaxy will increase the life of her by a couple billion years ) Honestly kid, take a college astronomy course and not only will you become extremely pessimistic, all feelings of species elitism will vanish. We are, afterall, Woefully small. ;D and that's my two bits, HATS! and happy hunting! Lou
"Men are less hesitant about harming someone who makes himself loved than one who makes himself feared because love is held together by a chain of obligation which, since men are wretched creatures, is broken on every occasion in which their own interests are concerned; but fear is sustained by dread of punishment which will never abandon you."
Personally I consider humans as natural, but scientific human alterations as unnatural.
Maybe I was saying it wrong, THIS is what I meant.
Yes, extinction is totally natural and everything will become extinct at some point, which is fine. Human expedited extinction sucks, though. No, we cannot "save" the sun. It doesn't need saving. It will live, it will die, like everything.
As for monogomy being unnatural: If you believe lions, dogs, etc. are the only truly natural beings, monogomy is unnatural. Maybe the DJ wasn't thinking it through properly - there are lots of animals that mate with one partner for life. I don't know if we evolved that way or not, but lots do it.
Pessimism: Astronomy is not neccesary... I am in my second year of community college and just now taking environmental science. Man, I knew we were screwing up life for everything else, but I didn't know it was THIS bad.
Aurelia - General I ------------------------------------------- "It's not about the style of the flight; it's about the blood on the glove"
Pessimism: Astronomy is not neccesary... I am in my second year of community college and just now taking environmental science. Man, I knew we were screwing up life for everything else, but I didn't know it was THIS bad.
haha yeah, when they told me college would open my eyes, I wasn't expecting the complete removal of my eyelids.
"Men are less hesitant about harming someone who makes himself loved than one who makes himself feared because love is held together by a chain of obligation which, since men are wretched creatures, is broken on every occasion in which their own interests are concerned; but fear is sustained by dread of punishment which will never abandon you."
Whoah yea I am like halfway through my first year of 7th. my batty Science teacher teaches my earth science and I started puking her voice is like ... i don't know why they put it on a DVD GOSH it's like listening to fingernails scraping on a chalk board .. you are saying that we are natural and I suppose that we are and you are saying that everything we do is natural except for a scientific human alteration as unnatural which donsn't work... if we can do a NON- natural thing then we are not Natural! If somthing we do is unnatural how can we natural! we are the only species that can do Unnatural things! so therefore we are not like the rest of the world!
I know that my whole go to other star systems was a SCI-FI thingy but, If i take your view and say well it's gonna be in another 6billion years then what about when 599,999,999,990 years we are going to say o we have 10 years to get the heck out of here lol humans have the power to look into the future not just the present and we need to use it! if you neglect the future like most animals then you will suffer. for example if your house is on fire and the fire is downs stairs... would you get out of your house or wait till it's in your room and licking the bed?...
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph." -Thomas Paine
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? -Marianne Williamson
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph." -Thomas Paine
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? -Marianne Williamson
Ehm... based on long-term observation and study of previous species (by scientists, not by me), humans won't be around when the sun dies. We and most species we know will be extinct (maybe not cockroaches).
Aurelia - General I ------------------------------------------- "It's not about the style of the flight; it's about the blood on the glove"
well that's a pleasnt thought... well lets just lock this thread a FB and get on with it!!! what the hell is it gonna do to us anyway
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph." -Thomas Paine
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? -Marianne Williamson