Nobody needs to beat you over the head but you need to slow down a bit . This is a 4,000 yr old art form and you are not going to learn it by asking question you don't want the answers for . What if another Non Falconer / New kid logs on and reads the crap opinions and op eds you've blasted this site with the last few days ? What will they take to the world at large as " Knowledge of our sport " ? If you want to light up every thread with questions instead of having to do your own homework , the least you can do is humbly listen to the advice you seek , not disagree and disregard every statement based on your "Opinion" of a subject you know nothing about ...
Keep in mind Most likely sponsors don't want a pushy , impatient or lazy minded apprentice taking up 2 yrs of their lives and possibly making their name look bad . They are looking for a patient , hard working , open ear and minded person who will do what's right by the hawks we covet before ever letting ego or misaligned expectations get in the way. Those sponsors are on these forums waiting and watching ...
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It is good to have an end to Journey towards, but it is the journey that matters in the End. - Ernest Hemingway
Nobody needs to beat you over the head but you need to slow down a bit . This is a 4,000 yr old art form and you are not going to learn it by asking question you don't want the answers for . What if another Non Falconer / New kid logs on and reads the crap opinions and op eds you've blasted this site with the last few days ? What will they take to the world at large as " Knowledge of our sport " ? If you want to light up every thread with questions instead of having to do your own homework , the least you can do is humbly listen to the advice you seek , not disagree and disregard every statement based on your "Opinion" of a subject you know nothing about ...
Keep in mind Most likely sponsors don't want a pushy , impatient or lazy minded apprentice taking up 2 yrs of their lives and possibly making their name look bad . They are looking for a patient , hard working , open ear and minded person who will do what's right by the hawks we covet before ever letting ego or misaligned expectations get in the way. Those sponsors are on these forums waiting and watching ...
Will try to lay off and hit the books instead. Better add a warning to my sig too just in case...
Warning: I have very little experience when it comes to falconry. Don't take anything I say as fact. Do your own research and listen to your sponsor.
Post by Falcon Boy on Mar 21, 2013 15:43:19 GMT -5
Feathermaster I think the issue is that as a whole, many falconers object to those who call themselves falconers but are not falconers. An example would be renessaince fairs, bird abatement, breeding, education programs, conservation programs, etc. Stricly speaking, falconry is about hunting with a bird of prey. It is not to say that those other things are not legitimate practices. It's just the label which gets associated. When someone thinks a falconer is the guy holding a bird at a renassance fair, the public starts to think that's all falconry is and then you get people who want to be just like harry potter. It's mostly a terminology differece where falconers try and keep the label of falconer to those who hunt with their birds.
I hope that made sense i know it was a bit rambling.
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Feathermaster I think the issue is that as a whole, many falconers object to those who call themselves falconers but are not falconers. An example would be renessaince fairs, bird abatement, breeding, education programs, conservation programs, etc. Stricly speaking, falconry is about hunting with a bird of prey. It is not to say that those other things are not legitimate practices. It's just the label which gets associated. When someone thinks a falconer is the guy holding a bird at a renassance fair, the public starts to think that's all falconry is and then you get people who want to be just like harry potter. It's mostly a terminology differece where falconers try and keep the label of falconer to those who hunt with their birds.
I hope that made sense i know it was a bit rambling.
It makes a lot of sense. I'm primarily interested in falconry, but I'm interested in education, conservation, and shows ton the side.
Once I get my feet on the ground, I'd be interested in doing some education, which will double as manning for the bird, and perhaps do a couple gigs for money (so the bird can help pay for his lodging/vet bills!). I really want to focus on the hunting though instead of turning into a total show freak.
I think I'll start flying/breeding some unconventional birds eventually for conservation purposes, but that'd be something to consider way way further down the road.
Warning: I have very little experience when it comes to falconry. Don't take anything I say as fact. Do your own research and listen to your sponsor.
I can't say I agree with all of that. But please be aware of the law: according to the regs , you must be at least a General falconer before you can even think about education,public showings,ect(unless a you bring along a general or master falconers with you).
Since I live in Texas. I would really hate to see allot of misinformation spread here to the public. That is why the regs require you to at least be a General falconer. And You do not need large crowds to properly Mann a bird.
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I can't say I agree with all of that. But please be aware of the law: according to the regs , you must be at least a General falconer before you can even think about education,public showings,ect(unless a you bring along a general or master falconers with you).
Since I live in Texas. I would really hate to see allot of misinformation spread here to the public. That is why the regs require you to at least be a General falconer. And You do not need large crowds to properly Mann a bird.
That's probably a good thing.
I guess that means I should put all that other stuff out of my head for at least two years. In the meantime, I'll just have to focus entirely on finding a sponser and hunting with/caring for my bird.
I guess if I really wanted to, I could volunteer at a wildlife rehabilitation center in my free time.
Warning: I have very little experience when it comes to falconry. Don't take anything I say as fact. Do your own research and listen to your sponsor.
I can't say I agree with all of that. But please be aware of the law: according to the regs , you must be at least a General falconer before you can even think about education,public showings,ect(unless a you bring along a general or master falconers with you).
Since I live in Texas. I would really hate to see allot of misinformation spread here to the public. That is why the regs require you to at least be a General falconer. And You do not need large crowds to properly Mann a bird.
That's probably a good thing.
I guess that means I should put all that other stuff out of my head for at least two years. In the meantime, I'll just have to focus entirely on finding a sponser and hunting with/caring for my bird.
I guess if I really wanted to, I could volunteer at a wildlife rehabilitation center in my free time.
if when you get a sponsor and start really hunting i doubt you will have much spare time
Once I get my feet on the ground, I'd be interested in doing some education, which will double as manning for the bird, and perhaps do a couple gigs for money (so the bird can help pay for his lodging/vet bills!).
One thing you should really be aware of, is that a falconer cannot get paid for showing their birds. You need special permits for that. Maybe that's something to look into eventually, but I think for right now, focus on the basics of falconry!
Once I get my feet on the ground, I'd be interested in doing some education, which will double as manning for the bird, and perhaps do a couple gigs for money (so the bird can help pay for his lodging/vet bills!).
One thing you should really be aware of, is that a falconer cannot get paid for showing their birds. You need special permits for that. Maybe that's something to look into eventually, but I think for right now, focus on the basics of falconry!
I would love to be able to focus entirely on falconry.
I might have to get a show permit though. Money's tight and there's a chance that I might have to do some gigs to pay for my bird's lodging and vet. bills.
Warning: I have very little experience when it comes to falconry. Don't take anything I say as fact. Do your own research and listen to your sponsor.
Post by Falcon Boy on Mar 22, 2013 15:39:46 GMT -5
If money is that tight, you should probably wait before getting into falconry. You'll need facilities before you get a bird to pass the state inspection anyway.
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Ethics make the individual, not the other way around.
If money is that tight, you should probably wait before getting into falconry. You'll need facilities before you get a bird to pass the state inspection anyway.
I'll have enough for equipment, mews, and a weathering area as well as enough for a vet. check-up and emergency vet. bills.
I'm not hurting for money, but I'd want that added security of knowing that I can make my rent on-time and that I will have enough for any mishaps.
Edit: I'm not worried about the money. It's simply something consider. If I do a couple shows with the bird instead of working a job that doesn't pay well, I'd have more time to take it hunting.
Edit edit: I don't want anybody thinking that I'd do any bird shows to show off or for personal gain. It's something I'd only consider if there was a clear reward for the bird. Namely, more hunting time and nicer equipment/housing.
I know this is a little off topic from what's been recently discussed, but I was wondering if someone on here could answer my question. I left Texas last year (for personal reasons) and moved to Maryland. I only plan on staying in Maryland another year or two before I move back to Texas. I got my falconry permit in Maryland last year. If I get my general falconry permit in Maryland, how do I or what do I have to do to convert that over to a Texas falconry permit? (I hope that last bit made sense.)
65.270. Notification, Reporting, and Recordkeeping Requirements. (7): (f) A person who relocates to Texas and holds the valid equivalent of a permit issued under this subchapter issued by another state, territory, or tribe may retain raptors the person lawfully possesses; however, the person shall submit an application for the appropriate Texas permit within 30 days of relocation to this state. The department will not issue a permit until the applicant's facilities have passed an inspection conducted by a department representative or designee. All inspections shall be in the presence of the permittee or the property owner (if the facility is located on property that is not owned by the permittee).
I am a licensed apprentice falconer in Los Angeles, CA. I'll be moving to TX in the fall of 2013. I have been tattooing for 25 years and based on that, I would have to agree that an apprentice(of any craft)should make no assumptions and follow the lead and instruction of his/her sponsor to the letter. A student should leave all delusions of grandeur and romanticism outside of the classroom; particularly where injury or lose of life are a possibility. I have had apprentice tattoo artists work under me who were far too anxious to put a needle in skin before learning the basics; they would tell me of full body art they wanted to do and had yet to master the simplest rose tattoo....I'm sure most of you have seen the results of such hasty would-be tattooists. I shudder to think the same mentality would arise in learning falconry. Though I am a Master Tattoo Artist, I once again revisit the humble mindset of an apprentice as I seek to learn the art of falconry. I have no sponsor in TX yet; nor will I rush in finding the proper education that will last a lifetime.
One can have no smaller or greater mastery than mastery of oneself.
~Leonardo da Vinci
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