Post by forestfalcon on Jan 28, 2011 13:08:23 GMT -5
Is this for real? Pretty ridiculous. Plus, you shouldn't be explaining how to trap raptors to people who obviously have no business having the information.
"We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?" -Bloc Party
In response to your question, it's only as for real as somebody would want it to be. If you looked at some of the rest of the site, you've seen that while there's a lot of extremely knowledgeable people there, "serious" is not exactly the motto of the website.
As for teaching people to trap falcons, that's not exactly secretly held knowledge. A google search will tell anybody curious how to do that.
I'll make you a deal. If it's important enough to one of you to go to the idea on the Halfbakery and post a polite response detailing your concerns there, after a brief period of time to allow for response from the other Halfbakers then I'll take it down.
I don't need to make "deals" with you. You posted this nonsense here, and I'm giving you a response here. I'm not going to jump through your hoops to tell you that this is a bunch of garbage.
As far as the info already being out there... you're right, it is. However, someone would have to know what they were searching for if googling it. You are feeding the idea to, what I can only imagine, a bunch of stoners. Why get them interested in something that could get them in trouble (don't care) but could end up causing damage to some wild birds? Think about it... is this really that smart?
"We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?" -Bloc Party
One thing I always did when I had horses was to take anybody who evinced an interest on a ride. I learned this from a woman who said "Sooner or later eveybody is put in the position of voting for or against zoning that allows horses.
Word to the wise. Posting is even easier than voting. Harder than flaming, sure.
Alright, I checked out what I could however I'm not sure if it was the one originally posted since the link and post had been deleted and I wasn't able to follow it. However, what I did find was a bird of prey feeder that was used to tie down squirrels for raptors to come eat. (Please someone message me with the correct link, I'd feel incompetent were I chasing the wrong item.)
I will be closing this post and after I can see correct link (again, a private message would be greatly appreciated) further action may be taken depending on what we see fit.
Okay, normzone has emailed me the link to the page that started this whole ordeal. I understand that as a group, we tend to be a defensive group, but I feel we got overly defensive this time.
Normzone has a love for raptors, that much is evident. He also seems to have a great respect for falconers from what I can tell. He has responded to the criticism and anger here with grace and still remained a friend to the falconry community, rather than get angry at the reaction.
First off, he goes into light detail about trapping. He doesn't say how to make the noose, how to shape the trap, etc. A Google search for 'falcon trap' returned more information than his post had. Talking about using ground up mice shaped as mice (while a little morbid in my opinion) is far better than the post I found about tying live squirrels down to a board for the raptor to kill at will.
I understand our sport is very sensitive to us but I feel we were a little soft skinned on this one. In fact, after reading through the posts after normzone's original post, interest in falconry and the birds was actually expressed.
As far as I can tell normzone did nothing wrong. I will keep this thread closed to keep an Internet war from igniting, however I would invite normzone to stay on here at Apprentice Falconry and continue to learn from what I consider to be some of the best and most knowledgable falconers out there.
Normzone: Please stay on. We would love to have you as a member and good luck in continuing your falconry education. However, be aware that people do get easily testy and defensive on this forum. If you have something you'd like to post that you are concerned may bring about this same reaction, PM me and I will give you my advice on it.
To everyone else: Let's just cool our jets a little bit. We love our sport and are fiercely protective of it and the birds we fly. However, let's try to be level headed and not let our defensive stances jump in the way of our offense push to broaden interest in this great sport.
If anyone has comments or complaints, please PM them to me and I'll deal with them there. Thank you all.
