Selling passage birds?

[luna666]

Could seem a bit silly, but are you allowed to sell the birds you have trapped? Here in Quebec we are not allowed to trap, and I'm interested to buy a red-tailed hawk, but they are difficult to find around here (not much breeders). I already found one or two, but it can't do any bad too ask my Americans neighbors. If you are not allowed to sell them as passage birds, do you know of any breeder?
Thank you
Helene

[profalconer]

Sorry selling passage birds is highly illegal! If you can't trap a bird then you have to buy one to get a bird. There are raptor breeders in Canada I have seen them advertised in Northwoods.

[luna666]

Don't worry, I don't plan on doing anything illegal, I was just asking. I don't mind buying a captive bred bird, it's just that they are difficult to find, since, you, can have them for free (lucky you). But I know it is far from being easy. As a matter of fact, there is some breeders in Canada, but not many who breed RT. But thank you for the reply, now I know.

[Ally]

However, I don't believe it is illegal to transfer a passage bird? If you could find someone to just transfer their bird from their permit to yours that might be OK, if theyre no longer interested in flying them. Otherwise you are stuck buying one.

[forestfalcon]

Even transferring a passage bird out of the state it was trapped is illegal in several states.

[chrismt89]

I think the people that run shyhunters in Canada breed RTs but im not sure. I dont know if they sell or not. ill see if i can get their info im not sure if i can though.

[Ally]

Jan 23, 2009 15:05:05 GMT -5 forestfalcon said:

Even transferring a passage bird out of the state it was trapped is illegal in several states.

Mmm, what about across country borders? I've never been interested in getting a transferred bird so I've never looked into it.

What are Canada's regs regarding transfers between provinces?

[luna666]

Canada is a way more "open" country from this point of view. If i'm not mistaking, there is no special paperwork for transfer between provinces. For Ontario for example, it is up to the seller to be sure that the buyer is a authorized falconer where he lives.

It would be up to me to meet the requirements of my province ("register" the bird and ring it) But I am not a expert. Most of the regulation here in Canada is very "vague".
There is the list of the possible breeders in Quebec and Ontario:
Quebec falconry center, Quebec, who breeds borealis
Golden Creek Bird Farm, Ontario who breeds Harlans
Falconry Center, Ontario, I don't know for sure in this case.
Thank you all for your help
Helene

[Migisi]

Jan 23, 2009 22:38:19 GMT -5 Ally said:

Mmm, what about across country borders? I've never been interested in getting a transferred bird so I've never looked into it.

NOT easy at all. VERY involved and costly process. Across country borders... birds are subject to international migratory bird laws and treaties, 30-day mandatory quarantine, etc.

Across US state lines, subject to the fed Lacey Act and state/local rules. Transferring/receiving/transporting usually only requires the persons have all required permits; a health certificate for the bird; and depending on the situation, written permission to take the bird through each state**.

**I arranged to have a falconer friend return a passage Prairie back out west for release in its natural range. I had to get permission from each state DNR to transport the Prairie from IL to Wyoming.

New regs might've eased the problem somewhat. Haven't really looked at it closely.

[goran]

Some provinces have a wild take and this birds cannot leave province.Ontario and Quebec breeders sell all over the world but with all the paper work attached it is lengthy process.Start now to get your bird in the Summer.To me, if you live in US it is crazy to buy a RT.
Goran

[luna666]

As a matter of fact, for someone from the US it would be a bit stupid to buy a red-tailed. But since we have no choice in Quebec, I was just asking. By the way, I already have a reservation for my red-tailed, next summer. So don't worry about me, I'm just curious. I like to know the regulations of other provinces/states and country, to compare. It's a little bit sad that we are not allowed to trap in Quebec and it's a little bit curious that a apprentice with a 15 hours course can buy a goshawk...

Helene

[goran]

Because it is captive bred gos.Like a parrot.You can buy it and even stuff it right away.Your reg's are easier.2 years (2 Octobers) and 30 hours in the field with a sponsor in Ontario.