The thing that pisses me off about the new federal regs is that they gave Masters the option of 5 birds, but kept Generals at 2. In my opinion, Generals should have been moved up to 3!! -Joby
Gens get 3, but are only allowed to trap 2 replacements
You already had to be 18. It says on Page 59455 "Issue. Experience requirement to advance to General Falconer. Many commenters suggested that the proposed change in the regulations that would require more experience to advance to General Falconer was not warranted. Response. We accept the prevailing comments on this point, and this final rule is changed accordingly. To advance to General Falconer, an individual must be at least 16 years old with 2 years of experience as an Apprentice Falconer (Sec. 21.29 (c)(3)(ii)). This final rule lowers the minimum age to be a General Falconer from 18 to 16."
On another note, I'm a little confused about this state-adoption thing. I am trying to upgrade to general right now (just waiting for my paperwork to show up - my date was 9/29). Does this mean that RIGHT NOW I won't be getting a new fed permit?
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Aurelia - General I ------------------------------------------- "It's not about the style of the flight; it's about the blood on the glove"
On another note, I'm a little confused about this state-adoption thing. I am trying to upgrade to general right now (just waiting for my paperwork to show up - my date was 9/29). Does this mean that RIGHT NOW I won't be getting a new fed permit?
Not unless they have actually implemented these regs. But I'm sure that once they are implemented, you will be privileged to all the new stuff.
Sure, thats what I was thinking, but I'm not really worried about the new "stuff." It seems that since the feds have posted the new regs, they will no longer issue fed permits. Because the states don't issue the fed permits, so their adopting of the regs shouldn't affect the implementation of this one thing. It's pretty much the only part that's not state-controlled.
Aurelia - General I ------------------------------------------- "It's not about the style of the flight; it's about the blood on the glove"
i read in there that TP&W opposes the take of HH for apprentice's.
I just got off the phone with TP&W trying to see what i could find out, but they werent sure either. Just a wait and see.
I couldnt believe an apprentic can be 12 years old!! I thought 14 was too young personally.
I dont agree to get people interested in hunting sports you have to start them young. as I see it if you are going to give a 10 yr old kid a gun to go hunt deer why would a bird be any different. befor you go on about the birds welfare that comes down to the sponsor and parents. the main reason for the lowering of the age is for falconers kids. most falconers that I have known that their kids get involved in falconry actually have flown gos hawks and prairies befor they where 14. so the lower age really isnt a problem for the most part.
Sure, thats what I was thinking, but I'm not really worried about the new "stuff." It seems that since the feds have posted the new regs, they will no longer issue fed permits. Because the states don't issue the fed permits, so their adopting of the regs shouldn't affect the implementation of this one thing. It's pretty much the only part that's not state-controlled.
All states have up to five years to come into compliance with the new federal guidelines. I received an e-mail today from George Allen at USFWS stating that he didn't believe he would be able to change any State to the new system before January 1, 2010.
So, if I'm understanding this correctly, in the short-term, nothing will change and you will still get your federal permit.
Regards,
Jon D.
"In matters of style, swim with the current. In matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that master falconers can now keep an unlimited number of captive bred birds.
Also the new reg's do allow apprentices more bird options however there is a list of birds we can not have including peregrines, prairies and several others.
You can now promote to general at 16 instead of 18.
You can buy your birds as an apprentice.
You can bread your falconry birds without putting them on your propagation permit.
It clearly spells out that apprentices "experience" is considered to be 4 months per year with a bird on hand, not 24 months (a problem here in Idaho).
It has much more specific rules about housing requirements that include housing the bird indoors.
It calls out a longer period for temporary care so that some one can watch your bird for a longer period of time.
It allows for non-falconers to care for you bird on your property.
With any luck we'll see major changes here in ID soon.
Thanks Jon. That one part is slightly confusing but I guess I will know for sure when the new permit comes! Or when they ask me to pay - if I have to put in the extra cash for the fed permit.
Aurelia - General I ------------------------------------------- "It's not about the style of the flight; it's about the blood on the glove"
My 7 year old has gone trapping with me enough that he knows how to use a BC. He can handle a hawk in the field. He knows how to be safe around raptors. I don't think he would be able to train his own but by the time he's twelve he will. His biggest problem is finding a glove that will fit him.
i read in there that TP&W opposes the take of HH for apprentice's.
I just got off the phone with TP&W trying to see what i could find out, but they werent sure either. Just a wait and see.
I couldnt believe an apprentic can be 12 years old!! I thought 14 was too young personally.
I dont agree to get people interested in hunting sports you have to start them young. as I see it if you are going to give a 10 yr old kid a gun to go hunt deer why would a bird be any different. befor you go on about the birds welfare that comes down to the sponsor and parents. the main reason for the lowering of the age is for falconers kids. most falconers that I have known that their kids get involved in falconry actually have flown gos hawks and prairies befor they where 14. so the lower age really isnt a problem for the most part.
I understand what you mean DH, but i would think a 10 year old is hunting WITH dad with that gun, not in a blind by him self. that would be the responsible way at least. If it was me wanting to sponsor my kid, whats the differance between 12 and 14?
unless there are some "A" hole falconers that tattle tell that a non licensesed person is handleing a falconers bird.
I would be more scared of the kids friends more than the kid him self. If you are going to sponsor the kid i feel you have made sure they are up to snuff. but the friends of the kid might not be up to snuff, and they might cause harm to the bird.
like i said, wouldNT sponsor my kid till 16, but thats just me