Post by Falcon Boy on Sept 18, 2004 21:44:44 GMT -5
There is a no definate line between males and females. Some people say males range from 28oz-35oz. Some say males only go to 32oz. Others say 38oz. There is no way to know unless you DNA test it. Go for a female. You will like being able to chase jacks, and pheasents, and rabbits, and squirrel.
That said lets get back on topic, pheasent hunting.
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Post by birdguy888 on Sept 18, 2004 22:12:10 GMT -5
Whether your going for pheasants, jacks or hares definately go for the hen. Tiercels on pheasants really aren't worth the trouble. Remember that our birds can fly up to 1.5 to 2 miles away from us for prey. By the time you got to your tiercel on a phesant, it will probably have the crap kicked out of it, possible even having ablind eye or broken wing. The least of the problems is it would be pheasant shy and would chase them but never bind. Most of my tiercel red-tails have flown around 832 to 900 grams.
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Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines "Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day; give him a religion................ and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish."
i trapped and released two tiercels so far this season. I'm waiting for "Henzilla"! ;D But one of the tiercels was a gaming little dude! i almost kept him. There were to many seasoned red tailers who advised otherwise... so... off they flew!
Post by Master Yarak on Sept 22, 2004 23:57:15 GMT -5
these numbers are the mean average: Out of 108 MRTs 1028gms Out of 100 FRTs 1224gms range of weights 710-1550gms (Clark&Wheeler,1987) Quail are small, pheasants are big. If a cock stood his ground I would want the biggest bird I could get. Even then it would not be pretty. Bane flew on one, a hen in Amarillo. She would need more slips to get effective. If more were around here I would fly her on them. I just do not think a tiercel could do it as safely. I will say this again, Both male and female have about the same top speed. The male is quicker and more agile. The hen has more shock power and impact strength. The larger the legs and feet, the more powerful the grip. That should answer that question. Yarak
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Post by birdguy888 on Sept 23, 2004 0:24:12 GMT -5
The gram to oz. and vise-versa converter on my page is a god send isn't it? LOL
Were those weights for pheasants or red tails? They ar pretty comperable. Our tiercel red-tails are about 990 grams and our hens average 1200 at trapping. I have no idea about pheasant weights here.
Well i have been seeing a few game birds recently. This morning i flusehd a wood cock and a hen ring neck, also found a feather pile of one, and hear d male cackling. to bad my buddy doesn't have any accips this year. they have the dogs though...
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I'll have to take you up on that. It really helps when I watch videos and read books because I chart dawn all of the weights for different birds that I hear about and I am trying to come up with my own averages so that I have a general idea of what different types of birds combat weights are. I know that they differ quite a bit even in the same species of bird but I thought if I do some research I may be able to find out some neat stuff.
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The larger the legs and feet, the more powerful the grip. Yarak
I thought I read the shorter the toes the stronger the grip? It's in the CHC study guide I think and my friend borrowed it. The Am Kestrel is supposed to have amazingly strong feet for it's size due to the short toes good leverage thing? But yes bigger feet can definitely hold onto larger prey. I know what you were trying to say Yarak, I'm not arguing.
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Post by Master Yarak on Nov 8, 2004 10:51:04 GMT -5
Beihan, The Feruge is a good example of what you described. Both Kestrels and screechers have powerful feet for their size. The anatomy of the raptor foot is designed to increase the force at each joint. So by the time the the talon bends inward the force is the greatest. A tiercel Golden eagle has a 9 inch span and some very powerful feet. Rts either sex have almost equally powerful grip but from my observations tiercels Rts lose more fox squirrels after they have both feet on them. My conclusion is span and grip strength are important and that hens with bigger toes and more span can exert more force. Yarak
If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away