Post by chrismt89 on Sept 28, 2007 10:22:33 GMT -5
ive never heard of it it would be nice to learn about it and the treatments we should get a list together between all of us and make it sticky of all the things we can think of and their treatments
Post by tumbledown on Sept 29, 2007 16:24:09 GMT -5
Problem resolved. Redig says whipworm is highly unlikely and then later the vet acknowledged the error.
Redig's email to me:
"Hi, Tom - hard to know what to make of this. Whipworms are not bird pathogens - they are the most common large intestine parasite in humans, (Trichuris trichiura), occur frequently in dogs (Trichuris vulpis) and occasionally in cats. They are considered a subset of roundworms (nematodes). Capillaria spp are the most common roundworms found in passage red-tails, and their egg, a lemon-shaped affair with a plug at each end, looks similar to a WHIPWORM egg. If the vet that looked at your bird is accustomed to looking at dog stools, but not bird mutes, the confusion would be understandable. In any case, fenbendazole will take care of any round worm, including capillaria and whipworms (which it doesn't have anyway). I'd recommend four daily doses of fenbendazole now and repeat it in two weeks - about 25 mg/kg should do the trick. Call me if you have any questions."
Fenbendazole can be (is?) toxic to birds. It has been associated with death and permanent injury. I had an email dialog with Michael Jones, DMV and falconer, a couple of years ago and he claims that he no longer uses it. I now just use Ivermectin, but at a very high dose. Not sure what I would go to next if that didn't work. One thing is for sure though, if your hawk has worms you can't just let it go.
Good Falconry is always a thin line between two mistakes.
Post by malcularius on Jun 8, 2008 21:11:46 GMT -5
Fenbendazole can be toxic to specific species of birds. i know hyacynth macaws are very suceptable to it. but we have used it with a number of raptors with out any serious side effects. the only thing that is bad about it is its effect on flukes. though it can be used on them it isnt that effective.
the beef i have with the hold drug ivermectin is some of the nuerological issues it can pose at high doses. so in a way i would feel more confotable using a low dose of fenbendazole then to do an excedingly high dose of iver.