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Dogs and Birds inside? « Thread Started on Nov 5, 2009, 2:23pm »
I made a mistake 2 years ago when I should have brought up my patterdale terriers with my birds but alas we can’t look back in anger but just learn from our mistakes. Last year was a very icy winter and my RT was OK but I was looking after a couple of falcons and at times they had to come indoors. The dogs were trapped outside the kitchen where the Falcons where but you can imagine the problems. My dog is not too bothered about them one way or other but my bitch thinks its lunch. So this year I am looking for a solution. I would off course never leave them all alone but there has to be a solid safe way above the dogs until hopefully they would just stop trying to eat it. This could be the solution under supervision. Anyone had any experience in one of these or suggestions around the problem
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Re: Dogs and Birds inside? « Reply #1 on Nov 5, 2009, 3:12pm »
If your dogs are anything like mine they will push over the post when they attempt to jump up at the bird, I don't think that would be a very effective soloution unless you were to bolt it into the floor.
Strictly from what I've read, Nosey dogs usually get a nip, and don't get too close. Have they had any encounters like that?
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Re: Dogs and Birds inside? « Reply #2 on Nov 5, 2009, 4:32pm »
i know someone that has one of those and yes they can topple over, you might be better with a large crate or something. keep the two away from each other. Our dog goes in the create when the hawk is out and in the hawk goes in the GH when the dogs out
you can polish a turd but you get crap on your hands and takes more time than its worth. so why try
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Re: Dogs and Birds inside? « Reply #3 on Nov 5, 2009, 6:16pm »
well I dont really have your problem but that is because both my birds where trained by a nice PFRT. but the other solution may be using a shock collar. fry there narrow behinds anytime the get close to the bird.
I've had some experience with pole perches (some call them "round" perches), but mine is built differently.
I didn't bring the plastic cylinder all the way down to the base (like in the link's picture). Mine has a wide heavy concrete base with water pipe exposed from the base all the way up and into the bottom of the hollow perch cylinder (the top grey part in the photo). My perch cylinder is about 2 feet tall and 8 inches wide, and entirely covered in nonloop grass carpet. Since the cylinder isn't down to the base, the dogs can't jump at it or plant their feet on it to push it over. (I can barely move it myself.)
The round perch in your link is only 4 ft. tall. That's not very tall. Do your terriers jump high? I'd worry that if a bird bates off and hangs/flaps along side the cylinder even briefly, a dog could jump up and grab the bird before it can regain the perch. Bad things can happen in a flash even when supervised.
Will you be caring for falcons again this winter? I wouldn't put a RT or HH hawk on a round perch under any circumstances. They're too heavy a bird - it's difficult for them to right themselves after a bate, push off the cylinder's side, and get back up to the top. They wind up hanging. My observations, anyway.
Re: Dogs and Birds inside? « Reply #5 on Nov 5, 2009, 8:45pm »
Like Dirthawker, my dogs have been trained by a nasty-tempered bird. After they stuck their noses too close or walked by the wrong way and got nailed they both stay away. However, both my dogs are very mild-mannered and neither are hunting-bred bird dogs. I can imagine a bigger problem with a dog with a larger prey drive.
Best solution is probably a combination of those that have been suggested--supervision, a safe perch for the hawk, positive reinforcement for acceptable doggy-bird interactions (good dog for laying on the floor and ignoring the bird, here's a biscuit, etc) and consequences for bad (fry their narrow little behinds, to use dirthawkers' words )
Some dogs you just can't trust, and you'll always have to take careful measures. Others will never have a problem. Good luck!
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